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Wednesday, February 6, 2013

Index Fund vs. Top Hedge Funds: Buffett Bet Halfway Update

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Halfway Update – 5 Years Later! Carol Loomis has posted the 5-year update in Fortune of the $1,000,000 index fund vs. hedge fund bet. Halfway through the 10-year bet (1/1/08 to 12/31/17), the Vanguard S&P 500 index fund backed by Buffett is up by 8.69%. The group of hedge funds hand-picked by Protégé Partners are up by 0.13%. Note that the index fund had been lagging just about ever year since this one, but that’s why we are looking at a longer period. Consider this halftime. :)

It will be very interesting to see how this turns out. Hedge funds charge fees of roughly 2% of assets annually + 20% of any gains. You may notice that five years of 2% fees would be 10% (ignoring the compounding effect for simplicity), and the hedge funds are lagging by about 9%. Costs matter!

You can read the terms of the bet and each side’s arguments at LongBets.org (also see original Fortune article below for backstory). This carefully-tracked bet was part of the inspiration for my transparent Beat the Market experiment. Too often, people are not honestly and accurately tracking the total performance of their portfolios. These ongoing updates help illustrate how hard it is to consistently beat a low-cost, diversified portfolio over the long run, and how it’s incorrect to declare yourself a winner even after several good years. Who knows, the hedge funds may still win.

Original blog post from 2008:

In the Fortune article “Buffett’s Big Bet”, we see how it came to be that Buffett bet a million dollars that a simple S&P 500 index fund would beat a group of 5 top hedge funds over 10 years. The bet will run from 1/1/2008 to 12/31/2017.

In one corner, you have the Vanguard’s 500 Index fund, ticker VFIAX (admiral shares), which tracks the S&P 500 Index with a lean 0.07% annual expense ratio. (The regular investor shares are VFINX.) It passively invests in small pieces of huge publicly-traded US companies.

In the other corner, you have a group of five hedge funds hand-picked by a big name Wall Street money management firm called Protege (funds of funds, actually). They have worked with folks like David Swensen, and George Soros. Hedge funds are usually only available to individuals with more than $1 million net worth or $200,000 annual income, and they can invest in just about anything. Tiny companies, entire companies, foreign companies, pork belly futures, whatever. However, in exchange you pay big fees: 1% annually for the fund of funds layer, 1.5% annually for the hedge funds themselves, and then 20% of any gains each year on top of that.

Past performance stats: From its inception in July 2002 through the end of 2007, the Protégé fund gained 95% (after all fees), soundly beating the Vanguard S&P 500 index fund’s 64%.

Warren Buffett bet on the index fund, believing that those fees are simply too high to overcome, even with their perfect alignment of interest, some of the smartest minds in the world, and the ability to invest in just about anything. But more important of course are either the shame or bragging rights to those hedge fund managers!

Buffett himself assesses his chances of winning at only 60%, which he grants is less of an edge than he usually likes to have. Protégé figures its own probabilities of winning at a heady 85%. Some people will say, of course, that just by making this bet, Protégé has acquired some priceless publicity.

The last part is probably true. No matter what, Protege will make a ton of money in fees at the end of 10 years. If they win the bet, they’ll be on magazine covers and end up even more insanely rich. If they lose, they simply change their hedge fund name and try again.

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Friday, May 18, 2012

USD index analysis for predictions for May 14, 2009

dollar-index-chart-2012-05-12_16-49-14.jpgDollar index since March 16, saw the highest recorded level on Friday.  $ 1.89 per cent per month now USDX. saw as the main profit (Silver) and goods sold almost 5 XAGUSD% down day and XAUUSD (gold), 3.5% or more down.   This is getting on the flight and dollars: price cash key 80.00 level or higher will be looking for the right deal and USDX bulls continue to move backwards to the long term $ 80.73 adds weight to move beyond high March.  80.00 above has been seen not primarily since the mid-near weekly January.The EURUSD currency pair weighted dollar index 1.3000; Under the deal, we are under the direction of the strength of the dollar and the weekly chart, USDX bias scenario 80.00 above the 1.3000 price don't can close the EURUSD and the rest, see the potential for upside down, one thing to note is that increased volatility did not come on the index and USDX dollars (26 weeks) moving average weekly coverage of 61%.Dollar index technical updates-daily chart

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Thursday, May 17, 2012

Dollar index technical analysis to 2012-15/05

usdx-dollar-index-2012-05-14_20-53-30.pngUSDX weekly range trade after closing on Monday a strong daily peaking before continuing.  Rising prices and now the recent integration of the current day is near the apartment. slipped 0.09%  It's no surprise that this region's countless previous occasions has proven to be a small response at the bottom of the pivot is the price. Pair EURUSD high weighting in terms of (USDX) Frankfurt/London open in preparing a brief rally this morning; the EUR/USD rate is now giving most of the profits the previous intra-day support test 1.2840 again on the strength of the ' risk-while this off "once US State to protect their investment by investors to buy Treasuries. attributable to  Speculators move prices are generally high. moving towards United States Treasury bonds  Prices and yields move inversely related, the rate of return is low.  Benchmark 10-year note yield is gaining at a price I can see 1.769% of our hearts, the lowest level since October. Gold is the main pricing structure support; You should monitor any precious metal reaction with strong upside in gold and the United States dollar in regards to the negative relationship between the movements of the dollar often have the potential to give you a hint.  The price is $ 1530 area has provided tremendous support for the last time when I visited around right now.   80.75 area on any break $ 81.77 a previous high target. x bulls  However, the price has moved backwards with little return and potentially high due to the distortion correction before heading.  Go back to the initial support level for USDX of 80.00.

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Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Dollar index technical analysis to 2012-15/05

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USDX weekly range trade after closing on Monday a strong daily peaking before continuing. Rising prices and now the recent integration of the current day is near the apartment. slipped 0.09% It's no surprise that this region's countless previous occasions has proven to be a small response at the bottom of the pivot is the price. Pair EURUSD high weighting in terms of (USDX) Frankfurt/London open in preparing a brief rally this morning; the EUR/USD rate is now giving most of the profits the previous intra-day support test 1.2840 again on the strength of the ' risk-while this off "once US State to protect their investment by investors to buy Treasuries. attributable to Speculators move prices are
generally high. moving towards United States Treasury bonds Prices and yields move inversely related, the rate of return is low. Benchmark 10-year note yield is gaining at a price I can see 1.769% of our hearts, the lowest level since October. Gold is the main pricing structure support; You should monitor any precious metal reaction with strong upside in gold and the United States dollar in regards to the negative relationship between the movements of the dollar often have the potential to give you a hint. The price is $ 1530 area has provided tremendous support for the last time when I visited around right now. 80.75 area on any break $ 81.77 a previous high target. x bulls However, the price has moved backwards with little return and potentially high due to the distortion correction before heading. Go back to the initial support level for USDX of 80.00.Related posts:
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011

Dollar Index Futures & Correlations to Crude Oil & Gold Futures Trading


Scalpers, Intra-Day, Position & Swing traders alike benefit from the correlations seen between the US Dollar Futures Index (DX) & Commodity Futures such as Gold (GC) & Crude Oil (GC). The US Dollar Index Futures is one of the most widely-recognized electronically-trader markets in the world. Comparing the USD against a basket of major currencies, this futures index has relatively low daily trading volume compared to Euro or Pound, and is primarily used for its strong correlations to aid traders in many different situations. Professional traders watch the Dollar Index at the times it is most active, which occurs from 8am to 12pm EST during trading days. The times also correspond well with Crude Oil & Gold futures, which also see more activity at these times as well.There are many ways to use the US Dollar Index for trading opportunities, but most traders find the DX to be most consistently-used as a filter for high-risk trades.

Let's first discuss the basic correlation that traders use. There is a negative correlation between the DX and almost every other market that traders watch. The Dollar is negative to other currencies b/c it's the world reserve currency, and it's negative to commodities b/c of the simple laws of supply and demand. Let's focus on the correlation to Gold & Crude Oil Futures.

(When the Dollar is rising, Crude Oil & Gold falls)

As traders, there are lots of different times in the day when the dollar begins to move more dramatically, such as the open of the US Markets @ 9:30am EST, before and after major news events such as Jobless Claims Reports or FOMC News. We look for the Dollar to begin its trend, and using the negative correlation between these markets, we look for crude oil & gold opportunities to the opposite of the dollar's trend. When the Dollar is trending, traders use Breakout Patterns to capitalize on this correlation. With the dollar rising, look for high-percentage entries to the short side of Gold or Crude Oil Futures.

(When the Dollar is flat, the Crude Oil & Gold is flat)

Most traders will use the Dollar correlation as a filter because it allows them to avoid high-risk entries on Gold & Crude Oil Futures. Without a trend on Dollar, the Gold & Crude Oil Futures also show flat price action, and tend to reverse their current trends often. The dollar has a tendency to get very choppy during indecisive times in the market, and we tend to stay away from higher-risk trading on Crude Oil & Gold during these times.

(When the Dollar is Flat, Traders use Trend-Reversal Patterns to Capitalize on this correlation)

Another important thing to watch on the Dollar is key Support & Resistance around simple chart patterns. For example, using a Head & Shoulders pattern on the Dollar, traders will avoid trading Gold & Crude Oil when the Dollar attempts to complete the trend reversal. Smart traders will wait to trade the reaction to the move around these extreme levels, rather than trying to be the first to enter the market when the Dollar here. In closing, the Dollar Index Futures can be used very effectively with a negative correlation with many of the market we love to trade. Of all the uses for this index, the most effective way most traders use the Dollar is as a filter, to avoid taking high-risk trades on other markets such as Crude Oil & Gold.




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